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Post by Moira » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:34 am

Sorry to create a new subject, but I couldn't find an existing one that fit.

I just started watching Brotherhood yesterday. I was hesitant to buy the DVD, since I'm not into violent mob shows. But I was curious enough to see what kind of character JI played, and Barnes & Noble had a Buy 1 DVD TV Box Set, Get One Free, so I brought it home, figuring I could sell the set if I didn't like it.

I don't have cable, and pretty much only watch PBS. I think Showtime is called that because it seems to show certain things simply because it can.

i.e. 1st episode, mobster on boat with over-developed exhibitionism relieving himself over the side of the boat. I wondered, "Is that his, or did they go so far as to use a prosthetic member, because S.A.G. contracts demand higher pay if the actor's own wee-wee makes a special appearance?" Not that I have a problem with seeing such a thing, in the right cirsumstances, and, um, with the right actor **cough** I would love to listen in on the FX guys trying to decide what the stand-in John Thomas would look like. "The guy's Catholic, right? So do we use the trimmed one or not? Is this the right skin tone? I think it needs to be more pink."

But it was worth it just to see JI's reaction when Michael comes off the bus and takes his first deep breath of home. Man, do I admire an actor who can put that much emotion and layers into one tiny scene. And Michael's expression when he says to the girl with the bleeding earlobe, "That ain't gonna happen." So much going on in his face. How does he do that?

It takes a hell of an actor to keep me watching a mob show, and to make me care what happens to a psycho killer with a sick sense of romance.

For once it was nice to see the older guy dump the young pretty thing. It was an interesting twist that the writer(s) had Michael, a killer, offended by the girl's drinking and foul mouth. And again, JI's attention to detail stuns me: When, in the car, the girl says, "You're a bad, bad man, Michael Caffe," and he says, "I'm not bad," and Michael then has an expression of confusion. You can tell that he sincerely doesn't see himself as a bad man, just as he didn't think there was anything wrong with his Van Goghish gift of revenge to the girl. He'd obviously thought she'd be pleased, and he can't understand why she isn't, yet she kept the earrings. And he doesn't like the idea that she's with him only because she's attracted to his badness.

The rest of the program rather bores me (semi-good brother walking a fine line between doing the right thing and playing dangerous political games, desperate housewife with drug problem, typical mob stereotypes, etc., dull dull dull). But I'll continue watching just to see how JI uses his impressive talent.

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Post by Bellatrix » Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:58 am

Good review, Moira. I wasn't impressed with what I saw of Brotherhood (the pilot and the 'saving the cinema' episode). Jason of course, was brilliant...in fact I could probably say that everyone concerned was brilliant because they were all so utterly horrible! However, I'm afraid that even Jason couldn't keep me watching the show. I gave it a go, didn't like it. Tried again, liked it even less.

Maybe I just want something more intelligent.....or entertaining these days. :???:

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Post by Gillian » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:32 am

I have to agree with you Bella. It's a very genre specific show. If you're not into gangsters and politics then it's going to be difficult investing the time it takes to get into the story. For that reason it's probably not a show I would have sought out if Jason hadn't been on board, but I still find it intriguing. There are no good or bad characters here, in fact the ones you think you're supposed to like are the one's you end up detesting the most. And the one's you're supposed to hate turn out to be empathetic.

It's that kind of storytelling that keeps my curiosity piqued.

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Post by Moira » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:40 pm

Actors are a species I sometimes want to study the way Jane Goodall studied chimps: From a respectful proximity, so I can learn how they do what they do. Because I could never do it.

Last night I watched the episode where “Michaelâ€

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Post by kjshd05 » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:28 am

I think reading a few of Mr Jason's interviews, might help answer your question. When I saw BH for the first time, I was cringing as well. The range of emotions that Mr Jason exudes, is enormous. It must have to do with his learning from Drama School.
If you watch the one video on Youtube, where he talks about BH, he claims his life is "Calm, Sedate, Normal and Suburban"...that going to work and being an actor, he gets to do things a normal person doesnt get to do, acting wise, that is. He has also claimed that acting is therapy
for him. Jokingly, I guess. LOL. Or maybe not. He can act out any emotion he wants, or needs to.
I can tell you one thing, everytime I watch "Scars", he scares the heck out of me. I'm not sitting there watching Mr Jason, Im watching a bloke named Chris, and he's not someone I would want to meet out on the street. I guess after watching Scars, Michael Caffee doesnt shock me
too much. That part of MC, where he is calm one minute, and than deadly the next, helps to show the immense, what is the word Im looking for here? Unstable, uncertain, fear? of MC. He's returned home, after 7 years, to a totally diff world, then when he left. Not only is his neighborhood different, but HE is different, due to the experiences he's had while he was away. He's trying to cope with a world he idolized while he was gone, and now everything has changed. Keep watching BH, those last 6 episodes, to me, they get better with each one. MC has a definite plan for The Hill, and each move that he makes, is cold and calculated.
That makes him even more scary, he's become manipulative and cunning. It's like watching someone play chess. No move is taken without prior thought. He tries to "do the right thing" with his family, but I think it's difficult for him, cause being married and having kids is not part of his lifestyle...He envies his brother Tommy, but I dont see Michael ever getting married and having kids. Too much of a liability. They would always be in danger of retribution, because of him.
Mr Jason has talent, and he approaches each role in a way that he always tries to do his best. His attention to small details, where sometimes less acting is more...When there is no dialogue, but you know exactly what is going on emotion wise, not many actors today manage to pull that off.
Mr Jason seems to do that without much effort, second nature to him.
He actually cares about his performance, and wants to give a better performance. How many actors have said that? I think too many actors show up for the paycheck and the fame. Here I am, I'm famous, take my picture...To heck with them, they give acting a bad name..Sorry, I've strayed off topic, but BH is one of my fav roles for Mr Jason. It's like 11 hrs of Mr Jason at his best. Cant beat that...

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Post by Bellatrix » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:10 am

Moira, I've done a lot of acting; some parts have been lighthearted, some completely emotionally draining but when all is said and done, it is just acting. I've played some utterly loathsome characters and TBH, these are the ones I've enjoyed the most because they are so, so the very opposite of how I am IRL. Obviously afterward, I've gone away and thought about it but no part has ever affected me adversely. In fact, if anything, the most horrible characters have been really positive experiences for me. I cometely understand what Jason says about acting being therapeutic. It really is! :mrgreen:

I've never found it dificult not to become emotionally involved with any character I've played because it really is 'just a job'....albeit a job carried out with passion and flair!

The only times I've ever felt a need for the blanket and teddy thing has been at the end of particularly excellent and intense runs. Not because I've found them emotionally taxing but because the 'real world' seems so grey and dull by comparison! ;-)

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Post by Moira » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:22 pm

Bellatrix, thanks for the very insightful reply!

While I do get very emotionally involved when I'm writing, I can't imagine it's anywhere as intense as an actor who, to use "Michael" as an example, has to physically crush food in another actor's face, or yell, or hit people with pool cues.

However, reflecting back on the few times I wrote and performed skits back in the Paleolithic Era, I can see how doing such scenes could be very theraputic.

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Post by Moira » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:34 pm

Now that I'm in the middle of Episode 5 (oh my crunchy jeezus on toast, I know 26 year olds less fit than JI), I wonder how Michael keeps getting away with murdering anyone who ticks him off.

Maybe it's honor among thieves, but why the heck didn't the Armenian gangsters call the cops on Michael? They may be drug dealers and pimps, but Michael is already known as a killer who got away with it.

And drat, the older guy gets together with the sexy young thing again. Jeesh. :???: Why can't sexy middle-aged guys, even fictional ones, ever prefer middle-aged women? Oh yeah, I keep forgetting: Once you're over 40 and have a stretch mark/gray hair/sag somewhere, you should be shipped to some desert island to make Nike shoes for 10 cents an hour, because no one wants to see your old ugly body. :roll: **spit** OK, mini-rant over.

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Post by Bellatrix » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:04 am

Moira wrote:oh my crunchy jeezus on toast
That has to be THE best saying ever!!!! :mrgreen:
And drat, the older guy gets together with the sexy young thing again. Jeesh. :???: Why can't sexy middle-aged guys, even fictional ones, ever prefer middle-aged women?
Because;
a) all men are boys at heart
b) men mature later than women
c) they have this misguided sense that younger women will keep them young
d) we scare the bejaysus out of them because they know we won't put up with their crapola!!!
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting: Once you're over 40 and have a stretch mark/gray hair/sag somewhere, you should be shipped to some desert island to make Nike shoes for 10 cents an hour, because no one wants to see your old ugly body. :roll: **spit** OK, mini-rant over.
No, no, nooooo you are sooo wrong! Once we get to 40, we bloom! I'm the same age as Jason (28 days younger to be precise) and a few weeks ago I got offered a modelling contract! Not character modelling or anything remotely 40-something-related either!

I don't know any 35/40-something men that prefer youngsters - they all tell me (because I ask a lot!) that they like women to be confident, self assured and fun. 20-somethings are intimidating, they admit, because they are so perfect. They say they don't notice the stretch marks, the cellulite or the droopy bits - what they see is a woman that knows what she wants and is unafraid of getting it!!! What turns them off is vanity and a reluctance to relax.

So there you have it - be yourself, be sexy, be confidant. Works everytime! ;-)

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Post by kjshd05 » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:17 am

Amen Bella, I've also asked many of my friends (guys) about this very subject, and they've all told me that young girls do indeed scare them, and dont interest them. Confidence, maturity, and not playing games with them is what they are looking for. It's weird, I have guys who are young enough to be my son ask me out. I politely tell them no, I already have a son! LOL Like Bella said: Be confident, and definitely be yourself.

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Post by Moira » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:38 am

Ladies, don't get me wrong! I'm personally completely confident as a 46 year old woman, even though I'm told I shouldn't be. As far as I'm concerned, life for women doesn't even BEGIN to get good until 40!

But unfortunately, mature women in America society become invisible after 35. Media, and especially entertainment, tells women over 30 that they need to nip, tuck and compete with 20-somethings. You can't sell cosmetics, plastic surgery and diet books to confident women, so the goal is to make them insecure as hell.

My philosophy is, I don't compete ("A Woman Without a Man is Like a Fish Without a Bicycle"). I am who I am, I look the way I look, and if any man doesn't care for it, he's mistaken me for someone who gives a flaming rat's heinie about his opinion. Men who are threatened by intelligent, proactive, mature women are men I wouldn't waste time having a cup of coffee with.

Still, in my experience you're lucky to know men who say they prefer mature women. Most men I've known say that's their preference, and then I see them dating 25 year olds.

I want young women to not buy into the propaganda, and spend their money on education, books, travel, adventures, and creative projects that bring them joy, and not on products in the vain attempt to look 25 forever.

All that said, even though Michael is a stone cold killer, I thought he was wily and intelligent enough to find the company of a wacko college girl to be annoying. But then, I don't imagine they do a lot of talking. And after all, I wouldn't wish Michael on a sane mature woman. Bad boys are fun, but ya gotta have some standards. "OK, I don't mind dating a White Collar Exec who embezzles from his corrupt corporation. But I draw the line at Irish Catholic Rhode Island mobsters with bodies in their trunks."

Mobsters in Rhode Island. Who'da thunk it? Next they'll have a show with mobsters in Duluth. Minnesota Nice gangsters. "Now Sven, ya gotta pay up our cut on th' fishin' houses, doncha know. Sorry I had to shoot yer wee-wee off. Have some hotdish."

Congratulation on the modeling contract, Bellatrix!

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Post by Bellatrix » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:18 am

Moira, may I say how much I enjoy your posts?

I hope we get to meet in person one day....and then I could introduce you to my highly intelligent, financially secure, good-looking, reliable and honest 40-something male friends that don't date females half their age! OK so most of them are now taken but there are a couple that aren't!! Heheh!

I'm so with you on the white collar/embezzling v thug thing! Neither is good but if I had to choose one.....he wouldn't have a cadaver stash, that's for certain! But this is par for the course anyway - I've never gone for the rough types; I don't care for casual clothes and scruff! One of my first crushes was Anthony Valentine as Raffles! LOL! Just as well my man has a sexy goatee and is a snappy dresser, eh? :mrgreen:

Oh, and yes, life DOES start at 40 (well in my case, 39 and a bit!) :twisted:

It's interesting that nowadays (as you rightly point out) Hollywoodland decrees that women either have to be pre-30 or look it to be sexy, yet 50-60 years ago it was the opposite. Mature women were the cream of the crop, even (unconvincingly in a lot of cases) playing teenagers when they themselves were well into their thirties +. IMO the Golden Era/Silver Screen stars were far more glamorous and beautiful than anyone around now.
I want young women to not buy into the propaganda, and spend their money on education, books, travel, adventures, and creative projects that bring them joy, and not on products in the vain attempt to look 25 forever.
YES! Ban the sl**mags.... and muffin-top clothes, leggings, footless tights, low-rise trousers and skirts, enormous hoop earrings and pale, frosted lippy too! Trouble is, these days, half of them look 25 when they are in fact, only 12. And they are doing things they ought not to even be thinking about until they are much older. :-(

When I rule the world, Germaine Greer will be compulsory reading for all girls (and boys) and sex education will include trips to labour rooms and single parent hostels. :twisted:

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Post by Hilary the Touched » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:47 pm

When I rule the world, Germaine Greer will be compulsory reading for all girls (and boys) and sex education will include trips to labour rooms and single parent hostels.
Hmm, sounds like BellatrixWorld at least shares a border with HilaryWorld...

Moira, you and I are nearly the same age! So I do some thinking about my place on the planet as a Woman. Can't decide whether to embrace my Inner Crone, or beat the bitch back with a stick. But back to Mike Caffee for a mo'-- I suspect that for many men, partnering with a younger woman doesn't necessarily reflect a crass preference for nicer arm candy. I think sometimes it reflects the man's perception of himself--he may still think of himself as a 25-year-old, in which case a 22-year-old amour is completely appropriate.

I kinda think that's the deal with Michael--he may have been gone a long time, but it doesn't seem like he spent much of it moving on.
He struggles against the changes he sees occurring in "his" neighbourhood, he still lives in his Mom's house, hell, he still sleeps beneath posters for bands that broke up 20 years ago.
He isn't trying to come to terms with his surroundings, he's trying to petrify them--why would he want a mature woman??

(And as for mobsters in Duluth--what, Bemidji wasn't close enough for you?? "And then he calls me a jerk and says the last guy who thought he was a jerk was dead now. So I don't say nothin' and he says, 'What do ya think about that?' So I says, 'Well, that don't sound like too good a deal for him then.'")

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Post by Moira » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:36 pm

Bellatrix wrote:Moira, may I say how much I enjoy your posts?
:oops: Thank you. And here I thought it was just pretentious blathering.

I hope we get to meet in person one day....and then I could introduce you to my highly intelligent, financially secure, good-looking, reliable and honest 40-something male friends that don't date females half their age! OK so most of them are now taken but there are a couple that aren't!! Heheh!
I'm too skeptical...no, make that cynical. I'd suspect that they drown kittens as a hobby.

As for meeting me, I'm better on radio and in print, believe me. (Moira in person --> :clap )
I'm so with you on the white collar/embezzling v thug thing! Neither is good but if I had to choose one.....he wouldn't have a cadaver stash, that's for certain! But this is par for the course anyway - I've never gone for the rough types; I don't care for casual clothes and scruff! One of my first crushes was Anthony Valentine as Raffles! LOL! Just as well my man has a sexy goatee and is a snappy dresser, eh? :mrgreen:
I like a man who feels equally comfortable in T-shirt and jeans or a suit, because he doesn't need other people to validate him. After that, all I care is that he's got a good heart and soul. And a sense of humor.

(who's Raffles??)
It's interesting that nowadays (as you rightly point out) Hollywoodland decrees that women either have to be pre-30 or look it to be sexy, yet 50-60 years ago it was the opposite. Mature women were the cream of the crop, even (unconvincingly in a lot of cases) playing teenagers when they themselves were well into their thirties +. IMO the Golden Era/Silver Screen stars were far more glamorous and beautiful than anyone around now.
Did you watch the Oscars? It was SO refreshing to see Helen Mirren being adored by men of all ages, and referred to as "HOT!"
YES! Ban the sl**mags.... and muffin-top clothes, leggings, footless tights, low-rise trousers and skirts, enormous hoop earrings and pale, frosted lippy too! Trouble is, these days, half of them look 25 when they are in fact, only 12. And they are doing things they ought not to even be thinking about until they are much older. :-(
lordy, don't get me started, or I'll write a 30 page post.
When I rule the world, Germaine Greer will be compulsory reading for all girls (and boys) and sex education will include trips to labour rooms and single parent hostels. :twisted:
Amen, sister!

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Post by Moira » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:52 pm

Hilary the Touched wrote:
Hmm, sounds like BellatrixWorld at least shares a border with HilaryWorld...
I can't speak for Bellatrix, but IMO Hillary is NOT a Feminist. oy, don't get me started. ;-)
Moira, you and I are nearly the same age!
Yay!
So I do some thinking about my place on the planet as a Woman. Can't decide whether to embrace my Inner Crone, or beat the bitch back with a stick. But back to Mike Caffee for a mo'-- I suspect that for many men, partnering with a younger woman doesn't necessarily reflect a crass preference for nicer arm candy. I think sometimes it reflects the man's perception of himself--he may still think of himself as a 25-year-old, in which case a 22-year-old amour is completely appropriate.

I kinda think that's the deal with Michael--he may have been gone a long time, but it doesn't seem like he spent much of it moving on.
He struggles against the changes he sees occurring in "his" neighbourhood, he still lives in his Mom's house, hell, he still sleeps beneath posters for bands that broke up 20 years ago.
He isn't trying to come to terms with his surroundings, he's trying to petrify them--why would he want a mature woman??
Well observed! And even the former lover he takes on the road trip is trying to recapture the dangers of her youth with Michael, and acts like a 16 year old. And Michael refers to her as a "grownup!"

Yet, Michael says to her in the car, "I grew up a lot." He perceives a change in himself, even if others do not.
(And as for mobsters in Duluth--what, Bemidji wasn't close enough for you?? "And then he calls me a jerk and says the last guy who thought he was a jerk was dead now. So I don't say nothin' and he says, 'What do ya think about that?' So I says, 'Well, that don't sound like too good a deal for him then.'")
Sweet hot buttered jeezus. I'm having Fargo quoted to me on a Jason Isaacs Message Board. Curiouser and curiouser. (And the fact that you can quote Fargo is REALLY frightening.)

Well, I live in Minnesota, but I'm not Minnesotan. These people and their ways are strange to me. They do things with "Hotdish" and cod and cheese curds and things on sticks which are not part of Nature's way. And Fargo is closer to reality than I imagined before I moved here!

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